Should Workers who are vaccinated be treated differently to their unvaccinated colleagues?

Elissa speaks with Jason Mohammad about unvaccinated workers and whether they should be treated differently to their vaccinated colleagues.

 

John Lewis wont be treating people differently, there are enough divisions already.

There are tensions in workforces where people don’t want to work with unvaccinated people.

Technically vaccination status is medical information which is protected under data protection law and shouldn’t be discussed. If the company has done their risk assessment and deemed the workplace safe to work, the employees should stop discussing medical records and get back to work.

Employers really need to know whether people have had the jab to enable them to do their risk assessments.  They need to know vaccination status to be able to know whether those workers can come back into work or not.

Many HR Anchor clients wont be differentiated against depending on vaccination status.

 

One point which needs to be made clear.  It’s not when people have the virus these employers are saying they won’t be paying people sick pay.  It’s only ones who have been “pinged” as a close contact and need to isolate at home because they have not been vaccinated.

 

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Nobody has been fined yet

It is one of the most cited laws by employees

It is the least used by enforcement officers

It appears unfair that someone could be fined for going to work when employers ask employees to come to work

There is a £1000 fine for employers if they ask employees to come to work when they could work from home.

“What this law does, it says is we don’t trust employers to do what’s sensible, do risk assessments, look at people’s roles to decide who should be in and who shouldn’t be in. You’re relying on an enforcement officer, potentially at the side of the road to make that decision without knowing anything about that business. It just doesn’t work.”

Businesses have been concerned, employees were scared to come to work through fear of being stopped on the way to work and being fined before Christmas.

It has caused quite a lot of unrest.

Working from home is now quite a normal thing but for some it’s just not possible to work from home.

What are the employees rights?

Employees have the right to a safe place of work – Employers have to ensure the health and safety of their staff is paramount when they are at work. Therefore if the workplace is safe and they can’t work from home then it’s acceptable for them to go to work.

There are also employees whose mental health has taken a battering whilst working from home, they are isolated, they are struggling, they are juggling duties and working from home isn’t particularly safe for them.

There is a lot to be considered by employers here when they are making these decisions.

Police can stop you and ask you where you’re going. You can be fined if you say you’re going to work but if you say you’re going to the pub there is no problem.

It doesn’t seem to be very well thought through and makes little sense. It hasn’t been popular with anyone and is just frightening employees.

 

 

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BBC Radio Wales Hutchinson v Asda Stores Ltd (hranchor.co.uk)

17th August 2021 Elissa live on BBC Radio Wales – Listen Now (hranchor.co.uk)

 

BBC Radio Wales Hutchinson v Asda Stores Ltd – Elissa Thursfield, Employment Law Solicitor explains how to avoid employment tribunal and comments on the recent Hutchinson v Asda Stores Ltd tribunal, as a BBC Contributor.

Hutchinson v Asda Stores Ltd

75 year old woman from Flintshire has won her legal claim against Asda for age and disability discrimination – Joan Hutchinsonhttps://youtu.be/yHea-AGH4eg

She was asked twice if she wanted to retire.

Asda presumed Joan’s age was causing her to not be able to complete her job role. Asda’s measures were well meaning however Asda undertook a risk assessment, for Covid reasons rather than medical evidence. They focused on her age and asked her about retirement. If this had been a younger person suffering with a mental impairment they probably wouldn’t have said anything about retirement, it would have all been based on medically what could have been done by the employee to keep their position.

If an employer makes a decision that someone can’t do their role, it should be done based on medical advice and going through the correct processes, rather than having knee jerk reactions of saying you’re nearing the age of retirement.  Ensure you avoid employment tribunal by following the pointers below.

The key take away from this, to avoid employment tribunal;

– Respect the employees dignity;

– Always take medical advice or occupational health;

– Remind yourself of the the persons rights;

– Consider what role they could do;

– Is there any way you can support the employee?;

– If it is decided the employee cannot be supported to continue in employment then deal with it in an appropriate way whilst respecting the employees dignity and whilst showing compassion.

Elissa Thursfield, Employment Law Solicitor of HR Anchor and Gamlins Law is a regular BBC Contributor, subscribe to our channel to hear the next show.

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Now brooches are on the banned list!

Phobia of Woke

I’ll admit I’m a Daily Mail reader. I say this in the loosest possible way, which means I scan over ‘TV and Showbiz’ when I get 5 minutes for a coffee. It’s a guilty pleasure and I try to make up for it by reading the Legal Gazette as penance.

My sneaky read last week reaped rewards:

‘Now brooches are on the banned list! Baffled woman is asked to remove a Zara spider accessory at work because ‘distressed’ colleague has a phobia’

Oh, come on! Really that’s newsworthy? And someone was actually that distressed?

Maybe I am just particularly robust and being insensitive here. Perhaps there are a myriad of long-suffering workers paralysed by fear at the thought of a colleague wearing arachnid paraphernalia.

Straight to the ‘comments section’ (you know you all do it too). The comments were mixed, though the vast majority showed very little sympathy towards the colleague with the spider phobia. General consensus was that the world has finally and conclusively gone woke mad.

Woke, originally a term to describe being ‘awake’ to racial prejudice and discrimination is now widely used and encompasses everything from social inequalities to identity politics. More recently it has attracted more negative connotations and is connected to the overzealous, or those who are perceived to be offended by the most minor slight. Social commentators warn that if the world becomes too woke freedom of speech could be seriously put at risk.

According to the article, rather than speaking directly to the colleague with the spangled spider, the person went and complained to a manager.

So, my HR compatriots, what would you do if this landed in your in tray? Would you go woke or tell the staff member to go grow up? Or something in between?

I would suggest that if someone had a fear of spiders that was so paralysing that they could not be in a room with a bejewelled accessory, that phobia would likely prevent them going about most of their daily activities. What about spiders on mugs? Or if they saw a spider crawl across their living room floor, or dangling from the roof of the office lift? Put your mind to it, there are not many days in the UK when you don’t come across such a creepy crawly.

Either the staff member was being dramatic and exaggerating, or there was a real paralysing fear. If it is the latter, we could apply Pawlicka v St John and Red Cross Defence Medical Welfare Services. The employee in question suffered with Necrophobia (fear of dead bodies) but it was found not to be a disability. The Government guidance on the subject being that occasional apprehension would not be covered but a fear so paralysing that someone can’t go out would likely be classed as a disability.

In this case there would be two stages:

  1. Is the phobia sufficient to be classed as a disability; and
  2. If so, would it be a reasonable adjustment to ask all staff members to eradicate any images of spiders from the work area, including their own person

When looking at what is reasonable a tribunal found (Dyer v London Ambulance NHS Trust) it was fair to dismiss an employee who had a reaction to aerosols and body spray, citing that it would be impossible to absolutely ensure that no such substances were used on the premises.

I suspect an employer would find it hard to guarantee that an employee would never come across a spider or spider image whilst at work. In this instance the employee didn’t seem to suggest that the phobia was so bad that she couldn’t work with the brooch in her presence, I’d likely have been telling her to look the other way (or offer her somewhere else to sit) and try and get on with her work. If the employee had never worn the brooch before, and it wasn’t a recurring event, drawing attention to it would likely have created more problems than it would solve (and end up in the Daily Mail…)

 

Read a similar article here where Elissa explores Sexism in the workplace and answers whether an employer can make an employee wear make-up and heels.

Do you have a fuel crisis policy?

I’m joking of course.

I’m usually in favour of the application of common sense rather than policy writing for every possible workplace occurrence. Firstly, you can’t write a rule for everything, you would likely spend the rest of your working life thinking up what could go wrong. It doesn’t exactly scream of a working life of sunshine and rainbows.

How then do you deal with an employee without an applicable policy? There is no need to get tied into knots about it! It is a myth often peddled by serial disciplinary/grievance hardened workers or sometimes unions that if you do not have a policy to show someone has done something wrong, you can’t discipline them or expect a certain standard of behaviour.

Rubbish.

As an employer you can rely on judgement, common sense and expecting a reasonable standard of behaviour. You don’t need a policy for everything! Your disciplinary, attendance/sickness and grievance policies should in reality be well written enough to cope with most circumstances.

So what do you do in a fuel crisis without a fuel crisis policy? Communicate.

Let your employees know that there is an issue, what the issue is and how they are expected to respond to it. If they office based remind them that there is such a thing as public transport, that they should make efforts to plan ahead for journeys and perhaps limit nonessential travel.

If staff are double vaccinated, consider car share arrangements. It doesn’t need to be an immediate excuse to work from home or to not attend work.

Ultimately failure to attend work without good reason can be classed as a disciplinary offence. In their defence/mitigation the fuel crisis would likely be raised, so it is important to ensure a proper investigation has been done to see whether the employee has simply just decided not to attend work on a particular day, or has done everything they possibly could to get to work but failed.

The former would likely give grounds for a sanction. The latter, it would be highly unlikely if an employee has gone to varying efforts to attend work but failed through no fault of their own.

 

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After reading this article on the BBC’s website titled Sexism: Can my employer make me wear make-up and heels?  It started my thinking on dress codes.  I’m heading into the office tomorrow. Once upon a time that would have been wearing the most casual outfit that I could get away with, long hours at the desk and comfort came first.

Lock down and time at home has changed this for me, I’m not a PJs at home person, my day doesn’t start until I am dressed properly. However, going into the office is now is a lovely novelty and I spend more time in meetings, seeing people in the office and making the most of the social time with team members I don’t see very often, and I like to dress for the occasion.

That often means heels, and more often than not make up. However, no one has ever told me that it is compulsory. I love high heels, more perhaps than is normal, but in the event they were part of a forced dress code I am not so sure how I would feel about that.

High heels, I believe do look very smart, they elongate your legs and give the wearer a certain ‘sway’ if they can walk in them. Often they can be considered ‘sexy’. There are companies and organisations that mandate high heels for women. Invariably they do not mandate them for men.

If they are considered ‘smart’ and in keeping with the look/image of a business, then why not? I’m all for equality here and given the chance to compare Loubies with a male colleague at the water cooler, I’m there with bells on.

So why are they not mandated for men? Let’s be controversial here, women look sexy in them. Smart yes, but sexy none the less. Many male decision makers have no interest in seeing a man in high heels. I would bet my mortgage that 99% of dress codes that require high heels do so only in relation to women.

There are a huge range of extremely smart and sophisticated flat shoes available for women. I’m not advocating trainers, pumps or the like. Men and women can look equally smart and professional in flat shoes, but I can see no reasonable reason to mandate that a woman wears heels at work.

How bad could this get? What about compulsory bikinis at work? On a world stage?

The Norway handball team was fined 1,500 Euros for wearing shorts instead of bikini bottoms. When you take a look at them with the mens’ team, its hard to understand what possible performance edge is afforded by the clothing given the uniform provided to the men. If the bikini was required for performance surely there would be significantly less material on the mens’ side?

So what if you are an employer and you want to mandate a dress code or uniform? Employers can reasonably dictate clothing for safety reasons, company branding and require employees to look smart and professional. Requiring items of clothing or accessories that are arguably unnecessary and causes a detriment (sore back and bunions anyone who works in high heels?) could potentially be discriminatory.

I do think the world is changing, my professional upbringing in a corporate firm saw me being criticised in a one to one with a senior partner for having a small tattoo on my inside wrist that was completely hidden by a watch strap, and being informed it was an ‘issue’. I saw a paralegal (non client facing) told off for putting a knitted jumper on when the temperatures dropped below freezing in winter. I would hope such attitudes are now a thing of the past.

Employers should consider what actually looks smart and professional and what is required for the job, though I wouldn’t take any tips from Ukranian Cabin Crew at Sky Up, but then orange really isn’t my colour.

 

Read a similar article here where Elissa explores phobias in the workplace and debates the best response

Can I reduce an employee’s pay if they are working from home?

A cabinet minister has commented that civil servants who won’t return to the office could have their pay cut, stating that as they don’t have commuting costs such employees have effectively had a ‘pay rise’.

Its not the first time comments have come out of government that have Employment Lawyers shaking their heads in disbelief. This government minister went on to state ‘if people aren’t going into work, they don’t deserve the terms and conditions they get if they are going into work’.

Terms and conditions of course being an extremely broad term, not just limited to pay. Is this chap suggesting staff should be stripped of other employment benefits as well?

The reality is, unless you have a contractual right to vary the pay of your employees (highly unusual), you will not be able to change their pay simply because they are working from home or have less commuting costs. To do so would likely be breach of contract and hand an employee a constructive dismissal claim. The idea that pay is based on the expense of getting to work is ludicrous, what about staff who walk to work, but are working from home?

If you have contracts that specify pay is made up of different elements, so for example basic pay, overtime payments, tech allowances, car allowance and travel expenses, you may have the ability to remove the elements that have been provided to account for commuting, however we would always suggest this is done in consultation with employees and engaging them in the decision. A Friday afternoon email stating that an element of pay will be withdrawn starting Monday never goes down well.

For employees who typically would work from the office pre pandemic and now want to stay at home, you may have the chance for a quid pro quo- the offer of a new contract which changes their place of work from being office based to being home based/hybrid, in return for a change to salary, however threatening to withhold permission to work from home/ a flexible working request unless a pay change is agreed to could lead to allegations of breach of trust and confidence and ultimately constructive dismissal.

The take away message, any changes to terms and conditions should be done with engagement, consultation and agreement and as an employer your behaviour needs to be reasonable. If you have an employee who is refusing to return to work and has been requested to do so, and wishes to continue to work from home, you may have more of a leg to stand on, but we would still strongly suggest taking legal advice before changing the core terms for any of your employees.

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A recent judgement has provided some clarity and reassurance for employers regarding COVID related dismissals.

In the case of Rodgers v Leeds Laser Cutting Limited, Rodgers worked in a warehouse style room with 4 colleagues, the business remained open during the pandemic. One of Rodgers’s colleagues displayed symptoms of Covid and was sent home to isolate.

Rodgers ultimately refused to attend work citing concerns over his children’s health and saying he would be staying off work until the lockdown was eased as he was worried about his child who had sickle cell anaemia and the risk of the child contracting the virus.

Rodgers hadn’t been employed for 2 years, and therefore would ordinarily not be entitled to bring a claim for unfair dismissal. He claimed automatic unfair dismissal (an exception to the 2 year rule) on the basis that he had reasonable belief that if he attended work he would be in serious and imminent danger on the grounds of health and safety.

The tribunal concluded that the decision was fair and that whilst Rodgers’s belief that he was in danger was accepted, it was held that it was not a reasonable belief of serious and imminent danger. The judge stated that COVID-19 could potentially amount to circumstances of serious and imminent danger but it did not in these circumstances.

The judgement needs to be treated with some caution:

  • It did not examine whether or not the dismissal in terms of procedure were fair, it focussed purely on the automatic unfair dismissal principles and whether COVID 19 on the facts of this case could be caught under the health and safety provisions.
  • As a result of that element of the claim failing, the actual dismissal was not examined further.

Crucially the Claimant’s attitude of excluding himself from the workplace until the national lockdown released was criticised, on the basis that he did not consider what the actual situation at work was (or the measures the company may have taken) relying wholly on the national situation. Ultimately Rodgers’s concerns about the workplace were general ones linked to the national situation, not specific to any risk he may have observed at his workplace.

This decision can provide some comfort to employers, on the basis that knee jerk reactions by employees to the pandemic and refusing to attend work are on shaky ground. Employees will need to have shown that they were able to highlight a specific risk in their workplace, this decision suggests. The advice we provided during the pandemic was clear, if someone is refusing to attend work, ensure that your risk assessment is up to date, communicate it, demonstrate, and describe the steps taken to manage the risk and ensure that you have engaged with the employee about their specific concerns.

This case shows that businesses who have taken those steps should be well insulated against claims brought on the grounds of health and safety.

 

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Too hot to work?  Who can’t help but love the British people? We spend 11.5 months complaining about the rain, 10 of those complaining it is too cold…the sun comes out and we can’t cope with that either!

 

The law in England and Wales doesn’t actually set a ‘maximum’ temperature for working (which when you think about the fact that our average temperature hovers around a damp 6-15 Centigrade it would make sense that law makers never got round to it.

 

We do however have a minimum working temperature, 16 Centigrade for a normal workplace and 13 Centigrade if the work involves rigorous physical effort.

 

What should employers do when employees complain that it is too hot to work? A business in Swansea even made the difficult decision to close due to soaring temperatures!

 

Employers have an obligation to provide a safe place of work, keeping the temperature at a comfortable level and providing clean and fresh air.

 

So other than opening the windows and passing round the fans, what else can be done?

Consider relaxing the dress code slightly, stocking the freezer with ice lollies, or if your business needs permit consider whether working earlier in the morning and finishing before the real heat of the afternoon could work for your business.

 

Thankfully, it is the UK, we know its only likely to last a few days, at most a couple of weeks and then we can all get back to complaining about the rain again. Pass the sun cream.

Fired for watching the football!

There’s always one….

60,000 people can now take their seat in Wembley. What’s the chances you might think of being caught by the roaming camera?

Slim, you would hope if you were ‘pulling a sickie’. One in 60,000? Being generous let’s say the camera catches 4 clear faces, which reduces your offs to one in 15,000? Still not feeling nervous?

The odds clearly felt good enough for Nina Farooqi, who it was reported by the Daily Mail was fired for watching the football, after beings spotted by her bosses on camera at Wembley, despite calling in sick for the day.

It’s a story that regularly does the rounds following big sporting events. Farooqi knew the game was up when she received a text message at half time. It is reported she said ‘there is a bit of regret, no one wants to get fired, but then also I would have hated the regret of missing out. I’d do it all over again’.

Daily Mail comments section is always a sure source of entertainment, in this particular example there was little sympathy for Faroopi, with comments ranging from ‘didn’t she have enough time off in the past 18 months’, ‘take a day off unpaid if necessary’, ‘it’s a simple choice. Take a day off without permission to watch a football match or keep your job. Most sensible people would have chosen the latter’, ‘why didn’t she book a days holiday’

Others pointed out that her actions were selfish, as someone would have had to cover her shift and miss the game. One in particular made a comment about the dismissal itself:

‘Who is saying being off sick does not mean you can go out and enjoy yourself? The way things have turned out now I say good luck with that to the boss if it goes to tribunal’.

So what are the chances of that?

It depends, if she had been employed less than 2 years, a text at half time could well mean that there is very little Farooq could do about the dismissal (provided there are no other complicating factors such as disability).

If Farooq has over 2 years’ service and perhaps not the best employment history peppered with absences/disciplinary action (presumption only for the purposes of example) then whilst the outcome may well be deemed fair, there would be the potential that Farooq could be successful on an unfair dismissal claim on the basis of lack of procedure.

By sending the text message dismissing her, if that is what occurred, there would have been a total lack of procedure, no invitation letter, no meeting and no chance for Farooq to present any mitigating circumstances (which is crucial for the employer’s own interests in the event there is something more risky lurking beneath the surface).  Don’t risk an unfair dismissal claim by not following procedure.

All wouldn’t be lost however, the fact that she has lied to her employer, and openly admitted it is behaviour that would repeat, the employer would have a relatively solid basis for concluding gross misconduct had occurred and that there was a prospect that the behaviour could be repeated, a pretty good example of breach of trust and confidence. It is likely therefore that any award to Farooq would suffer either a substantial or total reduction on the basis of contributory fault (i.e her behaviour contributed to her dismissal), and on the basis that had a proper procedure been followed she would have been dismissed in any event.

 

Elissa Thursfield